Hillary Clinton New Birth Time?

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Hillary Clinton New Birth Time?

Postby Maurice » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:56 am

Following reports from Marc Penfield that Hillary Clinton's birth time may be 2:18am, we decided to check Transits and Solar Arc directions to this new chart.

Note that this is still speculative information
You can view the source of the data on this video:
https://youtu.be/-ffCemlJ7V0


Is it conclusive? See below...

The New chart has 14 Virgo Rising and 12 Gemini MC - both ruled by Mercury Station in Scorpio. She would have Saturn in Leo in the 12th house - which does describe her position as a lawyer for children causes, and her political career.

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She marries Bill after long hesitation - this occurs with transiting North Node on her Venus and reversrsed Nodes. However, nothing activates her angles or her 7th house of marriage.

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She gives birth to her only daughter Chelsea - with the transiting Sun (children) loosely conjunct the Descendant and square the MC - Chelsea's MC conjunct mother's Saturn (ruler of 5th house children)

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Bill is elected President
Except for Tr Pluto in Scorpio on Nodes, square her Saturn in Leo (with Chiron), nothing seems to show the victory and glamor.
it seems weak

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Monica Lewiski scandal in the middle of Bill's second term as president.
Chiron is on her natal Venus/Chiron.
Saturn opposes Neptune (signature for scandals)
Ceres on 7th house Moon (Ceres can be vicious)
Angles are not very activated overall...

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She wins the senate with Jupiter would be on her MC
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Losing the 2008 Primaries to Obama -
Packed 10th house - Venus on the angles
Mars return to her natal Mars/Pluto (ouch)
Angles do not seem descriptive of defeat.

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Election time - Nov 2016
Transiting Saturn would be angular to her IC
Mercury ruling the MC, on her Nodes
other than that...very little to show a momentum or a victory

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SOLAR ARCS

Marries Bill
QUite compelling with angular Solar Arc Venus
+ Solar Arc Saturn to natal (7th) Moon

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Daughter Chelsea born -
Not much showing for it, unless SA Chiron square Ascendant would mean birth?

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Solar Arc for the coming 2016 Elections
SA Moon to Jupiter
SA MC was on Saturn when she started her campaign in 2015.

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What do you say?
I'm not convinced...

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Re: Hillary Clinton New Birth Time?

Postby Maurice » Mon Oct 03, 2016 5:14 am

8am CHART for Hillary

Marriage to Bill
Venus is angular in this chart
Nodes on the Moon degrees

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Solar Arcs for Birth of Chelsea -
Sun (children) angular to IC/MC
Solar Arc MC would have been squared the Moon when she got pregnant

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Announcing she runs for the 2016 Election
Saturn again on the 4 Mutable degree, locking on her MC
Emphasized 5th house (personal sense of purpose)

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Re: Hillary Clinton New Birth Time?

Postby Sol » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:00 pm

Hm.

What do you mean with this "Losing the 2008 Primaries to Obama -
Packed 10th house - Venus on the angles
Mars return to her natal Mars/Pluto (ouch)
Angles not descriptive of defeat."

That these particular angles are not descriptive of defeat or in general? :?:

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Re: Hillary Clinton New Birth Time?

Postby Maurice » Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:02 pm

Yes...

However, I think that in that chart transiting Neptune/Chiron in Aquarius opposing her Saturn was the hurting factor

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Re: Hillary Clinton New Birth Time?

Postby HenrySeltzer » Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:01 pm

Hello All - I have something on the transits for Hillary's announcement date that I consider quite significant and that does in fact support the 8 AM birth time.

You might remember (as I have posted elsewhere) that when Bernie Sanders announced there was a lot of Eris in the picture. In general I have found that Eris, being a force for deep soul intention, does come into big moments of announcements of intention, or in many cases the publication of the life work for which the person is best known - dozens of examples there. So with Bernie - announced May 26, 2015 at 5:30 PM in Burlington VT - the Sun at 5 Gemini 19 matched by partile sextile his natal Eris at 5 Aries 00 - and was at the same degree of the midpoint of the tight Eris-Pluto in his chart (Pluto being at 5 Leo 04). Transiting Eris at 23 Aries 10 (triggered by wide semi-square from transiting Sun, Mars and Mercury - and precise btw to the tr. Sun/Mercury midpoint at 8 Gemini 10) was conjunct his natal Mars at 23 Aries 42. (And the Moon was on his Sun and his North Node and inconjunct natal Moon, while transiting Uranus at 19 Aries was partile conjunct his natal Moon at 19 Aries 25).

With Hillary (8:02 am chart) and her announcement on 4/12/2015 : Transiting Eris at 22 Aries 43 matches her Moon degree of 22 Pisces 51 (a semi-sextile within 8 minutes of a degree!) and is inconjunct (quincunx) her Ascendant and her 21 degree Scorpio retrograde Mercury plus making a trine to her natal Saturn - pretty close - about a degree and a half. These are of course long-term transits - although her Ascendant, Mercury, the Moon representing the public, and Saturn, elevated in her chart representing strong intentionality, commitment & sense of responsibility is quite interesting... the clincher being the triggering factor of that particular day's transits, again the position of the Sun that day, at 22 Aries 26 - in partile conjunction with the position of transiting Eris ! I do find that significant, and in support of the 8 am birth time. To reiterate, the Ascendant and the Moon position of Hillary's chart, using the 8:02 a.m. birth time, match - same degree - the position of transiting Eris in the sky that day which was triggered by the position that day of same degree transiting Sun... very suggestive I feel. Further confirmation Maurice !


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